The end of an era.

Tuesday, 8 December 2009

MoD Closes UFO Desk After 50 Years.

The UFO Desk Has Left The Building.

Most of us know something fishy is going on, after all who trusts anyone in government? There’s always something fishy going on…! But for the serious ufologist it’s nothing short of having them blow a raspberry at us, accompanied by a two finger salute!! We mostly of the opinion this is another attempt to discredit the serious ufologist who dedicates their own personal time to uncover their secrets and to pull the wool over the eyes of the people. So many have been discovered and the logic of our arguments cannot be disputed. So many credible witnesses are now talking about the subject with knowledge and conviction that people who were formerly undecided now have taken the step over to our side. Whether they have become actively involved or not does not matter… the fact people are now accepting that we are seriously onto something. All efforts by the governments and military just seem to strengthen our case.

Action Stations!!!!
My suggestion is this. We can no longer report sightings to the Ministry of Defence BUT we can report sightings to the police.
I spoke to both Nick Pope and Gary Heseltine who is a police officer in the Central Crime Division who runs a website called PRUFOS. (Police Reporting UFOs)

I asked them both if the police had any specific protocols when people report UFOs to them. The reply was a unanimous yes, they do.
Gary said;” Each police force has a reporting procedure for the public and police officers who wish to report a UFO sighting. They are obliged to fill out a list of MOD questions on a set form. After that they are obliged to send that report onto the MOD. As a result of the MOD decision I am about to write to every Force in Britain asking them to re-route their future reports by the public to me! I can but try.”
Nick said;
“In theory, every police station, military base and commercial airport should have had copies of a standardized UFO reporting form, so that if they received sighting reports they could log the information and then forward it to the MoD for investigation. In practice, compliance was patchy. I tried to tighten up the system with reminders and as part of this process I think I reviewed, amended and reissued both the form and the guidance - but I can't recall the details of what I did.”

The Man from the Ministry

One of the first things I did was contact Nick Pope who ran the UFO desk for three years. He said;
“Of course MoD investigated UFOs. Look at the statement on their own web site, in the infamous “How to report a UFO sighting” document, which they edited this week to sneak the story out in the hope it wouldn’t get noticed. It states ‘MoD will no longer respond to UFO sightings or investigate them’. You wouldn’t say ‘no longer’ unless you were describing something you previously did do!”
I then told him that I had found a statement from Dr David Clarke which was taken from a pod cast regarding the move of the documents to the archives. A few pages into this document there was a sub heading; Belgium UFOs, which contained a statement from a ministry official which states quite categorically “We have never detected a structured craft in UK airspace that has not been identified” Nicks Response was “I’ve spoken to plenty of pilots (civilian and military) who have seen structured craft in our airspace (sometimes corroborated by radar evidence) that have remained unidentified after investigation!”
He also said “I don’t see this as a prelude to disclosure. I had an indication this was coming, but thought the original plan was to terminate the project shortly after the final batch of files had been sent to the National Archives, probably in 2011.”

Here is a link to an article in the guardian regarding Nick’s opinion on the closure.

The public response.

So what is the general consensus of opinion? Well apart from the obvious stunned outrage there have been a few interesting comments made on my forum and facebook page. Here is one of the most notable ones and I’m quoting verbatim. (

“I've never thought of the UFO Desk as the main department of the MoD when it comes to UFOs. To me it has only ever been there because the public expected there to be such a department. Defence Intelligence and Scientific Intelligence is where the main UFO research is carried out in my opinion, and those departments cannot be accessed by the public!!

If you look at areas outside the main MoD at Whitehall interested in UFOs you'll come up against places like Rudloe Manor and High Wycombe. Funny that just before the shut down of the UFO Desk it moved from London to High Wycombe! So has it really closed down or has it just been an exercise to reorganise things, hide it all from Joe Public, and prevent easy access to information given the huge volume of FOIA requests on UFOs?

Ask the MoD about UFOs from now and it will be like the USA and Blue Book, you will be told, first we have no department for that and second, we have released all our files to the National Archives. In other words, go away!

I know what I believe.”

Was the opinion of Astrophysicist Andrew Pike (PHD) who has written numerous articles for various popular UFO magazines and was also officially involved in the research of what may have occurred in Rendlesham Forest in 1980 which involved the US AF.

Ministry of Deceit.

Responses to applications for freedom of information were always accompanied by a letter from the MoD which explained;

“You may find it useful if I explain that the sole interest of the United Kingdom Ministry of Defence in reporting sightings of unidentified flying objects (UFOs) is to establish whether they have any bearing on the defence of this country.
There is no organisation in the Ministry of Defence appointed solely for the purpose of studying reports of such objects, and no staff are employed on the subject full time. The reports we receive are referred to the staff in the department who are responsible for the air defence of the United Kingdom, and they examine the reports as part of their normal duties.
Since our interest in UFOs is limited to possible defence implications we have not carried out a study into the scientific significance of the study of these phenomena. Unless there are defence implications we do not attempt to identify sightings and we cannot inform observers of the probable identity of the object seen. The department could not justify expenditure of public funds on investigations which go way beyond the pure defence significance.
We have to recognize that there are many strange things to be seen in the sky, but we believe there are adequate explanations for them. They may be satellite debris re-entering the Earths atmosphere, ball lightening, unusual cloud formations,
And meteorological balloons. Aircraft lights, aircraft at unusual angles or many other things.”

BUT….. On the MoD home page it say’s this;

“The MOD has no opinion on the existence or otherwise of extra-terrestrial life. However, in over fifty years, no UFO report has revealed any evidence of a potential threat to the United Kingdom.

The MOD has no specific capability for identifying the nature of such sightings. There is no Defence benefit in such investigation and it would be an inappropriate use of defence resources. Furthermore, responding to reported UFO sightings diverts MOD resources from tasks that are relevant to Defence.

Accordingly, and in order to make best use of Defence resources, we have decided that from the 1 December 2009 the dedicated UFO hotline answer-phone service and e-mail address will be withdrawn. MOD will no longer respond to reported UFO sightings or investigate them. The ongoing programme to release Departmental files on UFO matters to the National Archive will continue.”

European Union, Do they have a policy?

Whilst trying to figure out how to open another inroad for the information we want I talked to one of my forum members who are, in my book, the most tenacious MoD hound in history. He told me that his next line of attack would be to approach the EU. Considering we have now signed the Lisbon Treaty he thought that he may find an inroad within central government. Alas that was not to be. He sent me this message…

“Well we have signed the Lisbon treaty even though we had no vote or choice that may work in our favour. I will look at all the inroads into central government as all policy has changed now. One thing I am is definitely a MoD hound, so Europe cannot be harder.
I was reading last night that Keyhoe had the same problem with Congress in the states. This must be one hell of a secret, NICAP was hammered by CIA etc.. The same thing may happen here? I am not a conspiracy theorist but this action by the UK government smacks of what I have been avoiding for many years”.

After a considerable amount of digging he discovered this;
WRITTEN QUESTION No. 984/98 by Eryl McNALLY to the Commission. UFO sightings within the European Community

Official Journal C 310 , 09/10/1998 P. 0152

WRITTEN QUESTION E-0984/98 by Eryl McNally (PSE) to the Commission (2 April 1998)
Subject: UFO sightings within the European Community
One of my constituents has enquired about Europe's position on Unidentified Flying Objects. In his letter, he reports two witnessed sightings of UFOs in Britain and also in Belgium, both involving military personnel. When he approached national ministers for their response, he felt it inappropriately lax, and this led him to question the foundations of national and European security in these matters. He also implies the possibility of a cover-up which may well be detrimental to European citizens and the notion of security in general.
In light of the above, what measures does the Commission feel are required to ensure that European citizens are reassured as to their security in relation to Unidentified Flying Objects? Indeed, is there any European policy on UFOs or room for elaboration on any existing policy?
Answer given by Mr. Santer on behalf of the Commission (15 April 1998)
The Commission takes the view that it has no jurisdiction in this matter.
This was penned in 1998… will there be any policy change? I doubt it but if they have, we will find it.

Then he posted a comment on the forum about how he had rung the local police to report a UFO sighting seen by a group of people.
I had an unusual discussion with a police operator the other week. A UFO was reportedly seen by numerous people in a car park not far from a local town, I phoned the police to report this sighting as one inevitably tends to do. The response on the other end of the line was rather chaotic to say the least? The operator had no idea of how to take my report or who to report to? I had to explain my local police policy for reporting UFO's and asked them to contact the MoD or part with the number so I could contact them, my comp was down at the time I had to use other methods to get the sighting reported etc.
To my disbelief I could not be helped, so after a drawn out discussion, I was passed over to someone else who promptly gave me a crime number after taking said statement. With a promise that the MoD would be informed if not I would receive a call back stating so.
All I'm waiting for now is the victim support leaflet to be put through my front door, and I will have definite proof that, my local police authority has no idea of how to take UFO reports from the local population. 20+ mins on the phone telling the police what they have to do, and how they policies work in regards to taking UFO reports. I truly give up, talk about banging your head on a brick wall??????????

In the end after not knowing what to do they gave him a crime number!!!!!
It was the 17th of November 2009, 20:40pm.
The object seen was circular with green and red flashing lights, running silently. The report was given to the Cambridgeshire Constabulary. They did not know how to take the report and were advised by Mr J.M that they needed to report it to air sac 2a. They gave him crime no 518.
He contacted them today and was told that the police officer who answered his call said he ‘thought’ it had been reported to the civil aviation authority.

How can we fight back?

After I’d stopped laughing about the crime number and the images of aliens in handcuffs sat in the back of a police car and their vehicle on a tow truck after being impounded, I picked myself up off the floor and in a flash had a moment of absolute clarity…. Maybe, just maybe I could start a lawful rebellion? I sat and thought the possibilities through and formulated a way to work the system to our advantage for a change.
Would it work? Could it work? Yes I decided it could seriously work… If everyone who cares about freedom of information on UFOs gets in on the act and promotes this sensibly.

Hopefully we can make it standard practice and maybe we can still find a way of wording the FOI requests so that we can discover if they have had any incidents where they scrambled jets. We might be able to find out about some incidents by sending FOI requests regarding police involvement. If they respond to an actual sighting then that’s more witnesses.
If we can the stations to pass the information to Gary Heseltine we might be able to keep an eye on the sky and correlate some serious data which would give us a more accurate picture of UK incidents than the one we are afforded now.
It’s not infallible but, if we can make the change, get people to start reporting sightings to the police and it becomes the norm they won’t be able to ignore it. We have a right BY LAW to send FOI requests on policing and crime statistics. We’ll just have to leave the MoD playing with their toys while we get on with the business of UFOs and little green men.

Please, get involved, spread the word, and make a difference by helping this gain momentum in whatever way you can.

Thank You.


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